Monday, November 18, 2013

Top Seven Things People Think Are In the Bible (That Totally Aren't)

Quick preface:

If I had to choose one phrase to sum up my deep connection to the Jesus movement, it would probably be the ancient Christian proclamation, Jesus is Lord.  (These three words are way more substantial and traditional than the current phrases Christians often point to: God bless America; One nation under God; etc...)

Jesus is Lord, for me, means that there are many things that are not - money, nations, football...and, yes, the Bible.  I don't worship the Bible.  It's the word of God, but it's not the only thing God ever said (in the words of my fantastic mentor and godmother, Lori).

Okay, on to the list!

#7 - The so-called "Rapture."  

The Left-Behind series is a fictional tale (an overwhelmingly best-selling fictional tale, but complete fiction nonetheless).  It comes from a particular theology that was created around 100 years ago - an admittedly interesting concoction, composed of random pieces from Daniel, Revelation, and Paul's letter to the Christian community in Thessalonica - and has been snatched up by plenty of theologians who act as though this was handed down by God before the creation itself.

A brilliant assessment of this harmful, dangerous, and totally non-biblical theology can be found in Barbara Rossing's The Rapture Exposed.  Check it.

#6 - God Hates _____ (Fill In the Blank).

Sorry, Westboro Baptist.  I'm not talking about Levitical codes or even judgment and damnation.  Show me the verse that has those words.

#5 - Everything happens for a reason.

This is often coupled with other horrific theological statements said during times of tragedy - e.g. "God must have needed another angel/flower-in-the-garden/whatever" - that simply have no biblical basis.

There is, you might say, a trajectory of God and God's people, heading towards a final future of God's commonwealth on earth - but the idea of things happening for a reason is often much more simplistic and harmful, and is often said because we don't know what else to say.

Luckily, it's not in the Bible we're fond of quoting at people.

#4 - God is in control.

Nope.  If anything, story after biblical story shows a God whose mind is changed (Genesis 18:16-33; Exodus 32:1-14; the story of Jonah).  There are also stories that go off the deep end (i.e. the entire account of the Judges), where God is seemingly nowhere in sight.

This is a difficult concept, I know.  If God isn't all-powerful the way we've been taught, then what can we believe in?  This is where we have to remind ourselves that our very concept of power is routinely subverted in the biblical story - most alarmingly in the story of Jesus, and his seemingly weak, powerless, and outright shameful death on the Roman version of the electric chair, the cross.

#3 - We must accept Jesus into our hearts as our personal Lord and Savior.

Nowhere does Jesus ask for this particular act to be done (much less say that it's necessary for salvation) - he says a lot about inviting people to follow him, but doesn't seem concerned about the act of "accepting" him into one's heart.



Plus, the idea of a "personal" Lord and Savior (as opposed to the Savior of the world, and a bringer of the community of God) is a relatively recent emphasis that coincides (in part) with the modern focus on the individual - what the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Katharine Jefferts Schori, called "the great Western heresy."

Or, as the story goes, when someone asked a Catholic monk if Jesus was his personal Lord and Savior, he responded, "Nope.  I prefer to share him."

#2 - Jesus died for our sins.

Whoa, don't freak out.  Walk with me for a second.

At least, this particular idea doesn't come from the mouth of Jesus himself.  It's nowhere in the Gospel accounts of his life (Mark, Luke, Matthew, or John).

The closest we get are in the words of Paul (which, it's important to remember, do not encompass all that Jesus the Christ was/is/will be).  In his letter to the Christian community in Rome (3:25) and his first letter to the one in Corinth (15:4), Paul wrestles with this idea (especially in the latter, where the words "Christ died for our sins" is right there, although it's followed with "in accordance with the scriptures," which begs the question - which scriptures?  The Hebrew scriptures?  The Gospel stories?).

There's no doubt that Jesus' death and resurrection mean so very much to those who are connected with his movement.  But, this is part of a longer conversation.  And worry not - we'll do our own wrestling with this idea of "atonement" in a later post.

#1 - God helps those who help themselves.

No.  Stop saying this.  The quote is William Shakespeare's to claim.  But, even more than that, the biblical witness points to the opposite of this particular phrase.  Again and again, God calls people who can't seem to pull themselves up by their bootstraps - Mary, David, and Moses, to name a few.

Okay, fine, I'll name some more: Jonah, Ruth, Paul, Peter, the unnamed woman at Bethany (Mark 14:3-9).

Oh, and us.

358 comments:

  1. Great post PJ! I have been thinking and saying a lot of this myself for years but do not often bring it up because other people think I'm nuts and most assuredly on the slippery slope to hell. When that happens I ask the person if they have ever actually sat down and read the Bible, and if the answer is "no" I challenge them to do it and see what they think. Sadly, no one has ever gotten back to me on that. - PJ

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    1. This is the one that really hits a core problem for me. Tell me you believe the bible is the literal inerrant very Word of God, but you've never even gotten around to actually READING it???!!!! Sorry, I cannot imagine anyone honestly believing the bible is the very word of God, but haven't for that devoted themselves to actually reading and re-reading and studying it in every detail to understand just what it is God really 'says' and expects of us!

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    2. Thank you because when I bring up these questions, people either get mad at me or ignore me most of the time. It is very discouraging because I am not trying to knock Christianity...I am seeking the actual truth about it, not many other people's interpretations of it. I have experienced people getting very defensive quickly. I appreciate bringing questions out and searching for answers and that is that.

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    3. God hates ----------Duet. 16:22

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    4. This is absolute trash.
      Read your Bible and Please come up with improved reasoning and better analogy before you post very weak and highly irrational statement like this. It doesn't make sense at all. I wonder where the origin of this very weak statement is? i wouldn't mind if at least you came up with better reasoning and analysis....... Absolute trash. if you are interested, i will give you solid evidences that will shape your mind frame to the right way and path. Yes, Jesus is lord, he is the only way to heaven. All the reasons you mentioned are demonic thoughts

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    5. LOL, thank you, Anonymous, for proving his point. If what you say is true, please do give the "solid evidence" from the Bible that proves what you say. Okay, go. I'm holding my breath.

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    6. Deuternomy 16:21 Do not set up any wooden Asherah pole beside the altar you build to the Lord your God, 22 and do not erect a sacred stone, for these the Lord your God hates.

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    7. I agree with this post directly above me! (Nove 19th, 1:28pm)
      Thank you for standing for biblical truth!

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    8. To your point about people actually "reading the bible": My pet peeve is that the most vociferous of religious brow-beaters on morality, etc. have, almost to a person, not read the bible to gain their own understanding of the writings.

      It turns out that, before they ever read the bible themselves, they were told by someone else what they were supposed to get as an understanding about what is written in the bible. Only later, do some of these people actually pick up the bible to read themselves - but not to gain their own understanding, but to nod to themselves about how correct their original interpreter was about the passages.

      Discussion of the bible's writings can lead to clearer understandings but non-critical acceptance of another person's interpretation can only lead to giving over the free-will that we accept was granted us.

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    9. If you cannot attach your name to your comments whether on either side, it's not worth reading your comments. I've had parishioners do this, and all I do is throw their letters away unless they attach their names. These are honest thoughts, and should not be taken lightly. Who are we to bash other Christians because they think differently?

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    10. To the comment above: It is important to remember the purpose of this post, which was to point out things that *the Bible does not directly say*, but which people claim it does. The writer of this post may believe that Jesus is Lord and he is the only way to heaven, and still point out that the Bible doesn't DIRECTLY say it. Your point would be made better if you gave the quote in the Bible that says this, otherwise you are arguing against a point that was not even made by the writer (i.e. that Jesus is not Lord).

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    11. "22 You shall not set up for yourself a sacred pillar which the Lord your God hates."

      You understand that God hating pillars is not the same as God hating people, right?

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    12. Absolute rubbish. There is nothing in the Bible that is anywhere near 'accurate'. Who deemed that 'God' decided that the Jews were destined for 'The promised land' and therefore the people who already lived there had to be defeated and their women and children 'used'? How did 'Adam and Eve' procreate the earth when they apparently had sons? The 'New Testament' was written about 60 years after Christ died. Is your memory that good? Science has overtaken all of this. Religion has always been a tool of controlling the 'masses'. It's got you good and proper. Open your mind.

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    13. Putting aside OT examples for a minute and focusing specifically on the Gospels, how can people who "follow" a man that spent his life roaming from town to town caring and loving the social outcasts that people deemed "unfit" or "unclean", be so outraged when someone comes along suggesting a more inclusive theology? Didn't Jesus himself say, "The first commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. And the second is like unto it, love your neighbor as yourself."? If Jesus Christ boiled down an entire faith into 2 sentences of LOVE, who are we, as his followers, to get angry at one another for each other's opinions?

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    14. "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."—Romans 9:15

      but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals." Malachi 1:3

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    15. Stop making sense... Not allowed...

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    16. Have you read about what the people who were there before did? Have you ever studied the history of the Middle East during those times?

      Child sacrifice, having sex with animals, incest, murder and more. That is why God gave the land to the Israelites that was being occupied by a horrid people.

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    17. I'll definitely grant that #1 is true, and there is some ground to stand on with #7. Apart from that, this piece is an absurd fiction, unworthy work of a man whose pedigree claims training in Christian Theology and blasphemous to the name of the Lord which it affixes itself to. Here's why: First, I've never heard anyone suggest that "everything happens for a reason" is actually a biblical text, but it is absolutely true and justified by the principle of God's sovereignty, which this article so sadly rejects. Refer to Isaiah 46. God is in absolute control. Second, the "accept Jesus as my personal Lord and savior" is a paradigm to help us understand salvation. Those who do not personally trust Jesus to have died for their sins and identify Him as Lord will perish in Hell for eternity. The gospel is inseparable from this point. Third, on the point "Jesus didn't die for our sins", Paul is not the only person to have suggested this, and Jesus did say it in the last supper of Matthew. Peter also said it plainly in his first letter, which you have failed to mention, so I will. Referring to the act of Christ's death, he stated that Christ "bore our sins in His body." Finally, I sympathize with the disgust you feel for Westboro Church. I feel it too. However, there are verses which discuss God's hatred, and it is hatred for sins. Deuteronomy has been mentioned in several replies. I'll point out also Proverbs 6:16-19. It's also worth noting that, in the sense of favoring or not favoring, God hated Esau compared with Jacob, for it was through the descendants of Jacob that God introduced His plan for salvation. I could say more, but I will leave it here.

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    18. God hates........6 things....Proverbs 6:16-19 it IS in the bible

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    19. There is little to stand in your way if you are a Christian and want to augment, challenge or renew your practice by incorporating Buddhism, since being a Buddhist does not necessitate the veneration of a deity and encourages critical thinking. There is a great book called "If Grace Is True" which attempts to understand whether God will ultimately save every person or instead send a sinner to hell. Depending on your position on that subject, you may find that reincarnation (more chances to learn virtue) is not in direct opposition to a Christian worldview. My two cents 8)

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    20. how about we all just realize what that book is ... just a piece of fictional garbage written by bronze-age goat-herders for the manipulation and control of other bronze-age goat-herders and just STOP using it for anything but toilet paper!

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    21. Nothing but ranting of an atheist.

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    22. nice reflection

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    23. # 6.....Proverbs 6:16-19 (6 things God hates) and Malachi 2:16 (God hates divorce).

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  2. WOW, Jason. I'm wrestling with #3 and #2. Thank you for pushing my boundaries yet again! One of the problems is WHICH bible, as you discuss. There are so many translations, versions, and types. I think I need to take a time out now...shut mouth and reflect a bit.
    Thanks again! I'm thankful to have you in my life, making me uncomfortable.

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    1. Music Lady, for #2, the verses that talk about Jesus dying for our sins are found in the prophet Isaiah chapter 53... "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed."

      Hope that helps!

      As for number 3... yes, that's just a hokey saying, and Jesus mainly seems to be asking people to follow him and believe in him.
      But lots of the letters from Paul and others in the New Testament call Jesus "Lord" or "Savior".... so I'm not sure where "Personal" slipped in there, but the Bible does say that he is our Lord and our Savior and a lot of other things.

      Thanks!

      Matt

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  3. To play the proverbial devil's advocate (seems appropriate, yes?)

    Wouldn't number 6 be Proverbs 6:16-20?

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    1. refers to westboro's: god hates fags. this does not seem to be included in this lame list from proverbs. stfu

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    2. Yep ... this blog seems to be taking these 'ideas' and twisting the literal use of the 'words', not their meaning to fit their agenda. Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE which is what we place in our hearts: '... sanctify the Lord in your hearts. (1 Peter 3:15) and God is SOVEREIGN by the way ... I just think there are many ways of 'wording' these ideas and finding them in the Bible.

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    3. That's a good counter, and I love when people play devil's advocate, because it makes me think. However, those verses deal with things that people DO, not who people ARE. Thanks for the mental exercise this morning!

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    4. You are correct about Proverbs. Ironically, one of the things that it says the Lord hates is "a person who stirs up conflict in the community" - not unlike Westboro Baptist.

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    5. He hates the sin, not the sinner, so yes, you're both right.

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    6. She/He who ears to hear--------

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    7. #8--it also doesn't say that God hates the sin and loves the sinner. That's sadly one of ours--again. Sin (NOT 'sins' or even 'the sin') has the annoying tendency of lumping all of humanity into one big cesspool. The true definition of Sin doesn't allow us to separate 'the sin' from 'the sinner.' However, the Bible does say that God redeems all of creation (loves not only the sinner but brings new life to the consequences of we who have sinned).

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    8. To the one directly above me. You clearly contradict yourself with what you have said. God loves all individuals and knows of everything we have done. But, God redeems all of creation; therefore, God hates the sin.

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  4. The gods help those who help themselves is from Aesop's fable of the Hercules and the Wagoners.

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    1. It was William Shakespeare

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    2. um. probably both.

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    3. The concept, "The gods help those who help themselves," is Greek in origin. "God helps those who help themselves." is from Ben Franklin's "Poor Richard's Almanack" (1736). I couldn't find it in any of The Bard's works.

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  5. Aesop's fable of Hercules and the Wagoner is the source of the quote "The gods help those who help themselves."

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  6. how are you an authority?

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    1. Being a pastor, he has biblical scholarship and training in this. I think it is a part of his call to teach all people the bible and I feel this would be no different than a bible study.

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  7. Ok..on 4...How can you state that God was nowhere in sight in the Book of Judges? Did God him/herself not raise up the Judges to save the Israelites from their cycle of Sin, Servitude, Supplication, and Salvation?!

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    1. It says that God is "seemingly nowhere in sight". Remember the cycle shown in Judges - Israel falls away, Israel is oppressed, Israel cries out to God because he's no longer protecting them, God raises up a judge, Israel returns to God. Lather, rinse, repeat. Lots of times where God looks like he's not there because he only shows when they cry out to him.

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  8. I loved your article. But, I also need to question what anonymous just said--how do you explain Proverbs 6:16-20?

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  9. As an answer to #6-
    "For I hate divorce,” says the Lord. (Malachi 2:16)
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+2%3A16&version=NASB

    Though I would certainly agree that God doesn't hate anyone.

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    1. It's my understanding that God hates sin, but loves sinners.

      Isaiah 55:6-9

      New Living Translation (NLT)


      6 Seek the Lord while you can find him.
      Call on him now while he is near.
      7 Let the wicked change their ways
      and banish the very thought of doing wrong.
      Let them turn to the Lord that he may have mercy on them.
      Yes, turn to our God, for he will forgive generously.


      8 “My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the Lord.
      “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.
      9 For just as the heavens are higher than the earth,
      so my ways are higher than your ways
      and my thoughts higher than your thoughts.

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    2. Not that it matters, because no one is listening to each other, but another translation of Malachi 2.16 (NIV) says ""The man who hates and divorces his wife," says the LORD, the God of Israel, "does violence to the one he should protect," says the LORD Almighty. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful."

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    3. Well, just for fun

      "Psalm 5:5,
      The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity."

      See, God hates us all :-)

      Don't worry, Hate actually has a very different meaning in the OT then how we use it now. Look up some studies on it, it's pretty fascinating.

      I was also confused by #6 in the original post, I wasn't sure if they meant that the infamous Westboro quote was not in the Bible and they just didn't want to write the "f" word so they put a blank instead, or if the "fill in the blank" was there to mean God doesn't hate. It was unclear, so I understand peoples confusion around #6

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    4. Don't worry, I'm listening :) Always looking to learn something new about God's word!

      In response to the different Malachi translation, I just opened up my NIV and it says "I hate divorce, says the Lord..." but then I cross-checked a website that claimed to have the NIV say the quote you mentioned. I looked a third website and it had your quote in the main text, and a footnote with my quote. Very interesting.

      After reviewing several other posts I feel that there are a good number of examples of the Lord hating sinful acts, but as the post directly above me states, the word "hate" is not a perfect translation (makes me want to learn Hebrew and Greek and just go read the original texts!). This is why its so important to have God's guidance as we read through his word - understanding the true meaning can be a bear!

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  10. "The Left-Behind series is a fictional tale (an overwhelmingly best-selling fictional tale," just like the bible is a fictional tale.

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    1. Exactly. It is all made up. If there was a God and he wrote or inspired a book then all the meanings would be crystal clear. No debates needed. He supposedly talk to the authors. How come he just doesn't send a mind message to everybody in the world.

      It is 2013 and you guys are dicussing this shit like kids at Christmas. Replace God with Santa Claus and Jesus with the Easter Bunny and you will see how ignorant you really are.

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    2. God gave man the gift of free will. God could force us all to follow him, but that is not love, which is everything God stands for. He doesn't want to enslave us. He wants us to seek him, to choose to follow him. If he came out and told everyone that they have no choice but to follow him, no one would love him. In the words of Cheap Trick "I want you to want me."

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  11. You are right to say that God helps those who help themselves is not in the Bible. But I believe it is one of Ben Franklin's

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  12. this is absolute trash.
    read your Bible!

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  13. It took me forever to convince some of the Jamaican members of the congregation that "A whistling woman and a crowing hen are an abomination unto the Lord" is not Biblical. I'm not sure 100% believe me.

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  14. I love this post, but I also have to question number 6 - Amos 5:21 "I hate, I despise your solemn festivals…"

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    1. Right! In modern translation, God says He hates our pious, self-righteous church services. "But let justice roll down like waters...."

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    2. So not going to church is justified? Good news for me.

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  15. Sorry, but the Bible really is that silly. All that silly stuff is in there and lots more.

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    1. have you ever read the bible?

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  16. You left out my personal fav....God doesn't give us more that we can handle. Yuck.

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    1. Oh, yes, and the one that bothers me the very most. It lets the speaker off the hook, and we belong very much ON the hook to offer every kind of love, support, and help we can.

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    2. 1 Corinthians 10:13 "God is faithful He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear"

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    3. This would fall under a paraphrase of 1Cor 10:13 "No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful, he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But with temptation will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it." 'Temptation' can refer to anything that causes you to want to turn away from God (pain, losing a loved one, you name it) If you haven't found this to be true in the world around you, it is because this is a promise for those who believe God, not those who believe in themselves or anything else. It is a solid promise and it comes true when you put your faith in Him. If you have been given more than you can handle, that is a sure sign you need to run to Jesus. Then and only then will you have the strength to handle what has been given to you.

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    4. yes he does,If suicide was not against god I would have been there long ago..Large amounts of pain drive you insane......

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    5. When we are tempted, there is always an alternative other than sin. That Biblical promise has nothing to do with never being given a tragedy that will not break your heart utterly and forever.People want to think we are promised that, but we are not.

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  17. I agree with Anonymous. Proverbs does name a few things that God hates. I've quoted it a time or two, generally to people who are busy hating on someone.

    "These six things doth the Lord hate:
    yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    a proud look, a lying tongue,
    and hands that shed innocent blood,
    an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
    feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    a false witness that speaketh lies,
    and he that soweth discord among brethren."

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  18. One correction, re #1 -It's true it isn't from the Bible, but it's not Shakespeare, either. It's an ancient sentiment, but phrased that way by Algernon Sidney and made famous when Benjamin Franklin published it in "Poor Richard's Almanack" in 1736.

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  19. http://adam4d.com/how-to-create-a-super-successful-christian-blog-in-3-easy-steps/

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    1. Tee hee. That was funny!

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  20. 16 For I hate divorce,” says the Lord, the God of Israel, “and him who covers his garment with wrong,” says the Lord of hosts. “So take heed to your spirit, that you do not deal treacherously.”

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  21. I agree with you on #1 and #5. And I agree with your preface. But I'm not sure you've got your facts straight with the rest... I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, but seeing as how you've got a blog, and people read it(more than they read anything I write, I'm sure!), just wanna make sure they're getting the right info. Nothing personal. Read this or not, but here goes:
    #7- 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17. It actually speaks several times about the second coming of Christ. In quite specific terms. It's probably not going to happen exactly like it happened to Kirk Cameron. But Rapture is a real thing that Christians should anticipate.
    #6- I gotta go with the above dude: Proverbs 6:16-20. There are 6 things He hates and 7 which are abominations. And just to set the record straight, no, none of those things are homosexuality. But, ironically enough, one of them IS "one who spreads strife among brothers," ha ha. So Westboro BC is just WRONG all the way around!
    #4- I mean... I see what you're getting at and all, but it's a bit misleading. Throughout the ages, it may SEEM like God wasn't there, but that's only because the humans weren't letting God in. It's like now how people say, "Well, if there was a God, why is there still war and rape and murder?" And the answer is because we are human, and we insist on doing things our own way instead of God's way. As long as there are humans, there will be evil. If they do things God's way, and invite GOD to be the the Lord of their lives, I'm thinking things would be a little different. Here are a few verses that may help:
    Proverbs 19:21-"Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the Lord that will stand."
    Romans 8:28, Isaiah 45:6-7, and Jeremiah 29:11, to name a few.
    #3- It may not say those exact words, but the idea is there. I think maybe Christians just started saying that to clarify what people are doing when they make the decision to make Christ the Lord over their lives. There are several times when it refers to Christ dwelling in your heart, loving the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, receiving Christ, abiding in Him... that sort of thing. Check out Ephesians 3:17, John 1:12, John 15:7. Those may shed some light on things.
    #2- On this one... I'm sorry man, but this one is just flat wrong. It says all over the place specifically that Christ died for our sins. It's in the prophecies in the Old Testament that THAT is the reason He will be sent to Earth, and then after the fulfillment of these prophecies, Jesus himself says it to his friends, and then the apostles speak those very words... I mean... I don't see how anyone could overlook that.
    Isaiah 53:5- "But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed."
    1 John 3:5- "You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin."
    John 11:25- "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live."
    Ephesians 1:7- "In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace."

    Anyway, just some things to think about. Seriously... no snark here. Just putting out some facts.

    I'm assuming it will say "Anonymous" when I post this, but so you know I'm not some coward, my name is Jessica.

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    1. Amen!!! Huge amounts of Scripture assure us of the Rapture even though that exact word not used. And very clear that Jesus must be accepted personally by each person. Jesus clearly tells us in John that you must be born again....

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    2. #7 is about the second coming, yes, but more specifically it's also about the resurrection, not necessarily about the rapture. The main point is to give home to those still living that their dead loved ones will be included. Knowing the Greek syntax helps out.

      #4 - this one is speaking against people who have the idea that God controls every aspect of every person's life. Like people having a flat tire and saying that God is trying to teach them a lesson. or that God made "this" or "that" thing happen. The God of scripture doesn't have "complete" control because God's in a relationship with Israel. When you are in a relationship there are things that are off the table. Sure, you have the "ability," but because of the relationship you don't exercise that ability. So, some scholars have said that God is not all-powerful because God is "self-limited" through relationship. God promised to "never again destroy the earth through a flood." Therefore, God cannot destroy the earth by flood since there is a promise to not do it. And, "the promises of God are irrevocable."

      #3 - again, this is speaking against those who claim that this is essential for salvation. Yes, there are parts of Scripture that elude to it, but Jesus never said it.

      #2 - he did say in his post that "at least this idea doesn't come from the mouth of Jesus...and is nowhere in the gospels." The verse you quote in John has to do with the resurrection and he is not talking about his death as being for sins.

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    3. Thank you for stating the facts. This blogger is misinformed. It saddens me that people believe these statements are true and factual. Read the Bible before you comment on its content. Bless you.

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  22. Personally love #1!! I have NEVER liked that saying because it always seems backwards to me. For instance...my thinking...we should be trying to help or give to others that may be less fortunate or in a rougher place. So wouldn't God help those that help others versus those that help themselves? Thank-you for confirming my thoughts on that are not alone!!

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  23. #2
    "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" John 1:29

    I understand on some of these that you are tryin to root out Christian lingo, but #6, #4 and #2 may not be syntactically as you say. But these ideas and even these words are very grounded in several Old and New Testament translations.

    But it's so easy to point out rotten eggs. Could you not take the page you linked at the beginning of your article http://www.livingwordbuda.org/believe.html and make a whole new list. Also your premise is that these things are not Biblical, but you say that there is further revelation beyond the Bible in your opening. So why call these out for being "new"

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    1. To add to your comments Joey, #2, What about John 10:15 : :"So I sacrifice my life for the sheep."

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  24. #7 is correct…pre-millennialism and the rapture are false doctrines. They are not in the Bible.
    #6 is wrong…Proverbs 6:16 There are six things which Jehovah hateth, seven which are an abomination…. We use a variety of words for hate or to convey the concept. The absence of a specific word does not limit what God hates. When God tells us what he wants…should we not naturally conclude that he hates the opposite of what he wants?
    #5 depends….For example, Job. There was reason for all that happened to him. Oddly enough, it was for our learning…to know that man can/will worship God even in the bad times. In many cases, the reason for things that happen is simply that we live in a fallen world.
    #4 is wrong…God is in control…He allows things to happen that we don’t understand…but that does not mean that He is out of the picture. Look at how He brought about the birth of Jesus…He made the promise (Genesis 3:16)…grew a people in bondage, brought them out of Egypt, made them a nation, gave them a law, shepherded and protected them…eventually Jesus was born. They could have been destroyed many times over in those years…but they were not.
    #3 is correct...we are baptized into Christ Jesus for forgiveness of sins and to receive salvation…no “sinners prayer” will save us.
    #2 is mostly wrong…correct, Jesus never uttered those words…but the concept is present throughout his ministry (I came to seek and save that which was lost). As early as Matthew 1:21 the angel speaking to Joseph: he will save his people from their sins. John, declared Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29”. The Scriptures to which Paul referred is the Old Testament (those were their Scriptures)…the New Testament canon did not yet exist 
    #1…mostly correct…those words are not there…but there are plenty of examples where God told the people what to do and then stop and he would do for them what they could not do.

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    1. Keep in mind that the opposite of love is not hatred, but indifference. All of the statements that were sited have been grossly misinterpreted over the millennia, and have led to our numerous sects in Christianity. If you look hard enough, you can find justification for all your sins in the Bible, and that is why so many have pulled away from organized religion. Certain groups have seized upon a verse buried in scripture that they feel allows them to be racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc. because "it's in the Bible", but that isn't the overall intent of the collection of teachings that constitute our modern Bible.

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  25. um... the psalms talk about God hating the wicked- not necessarily in judgement either. and Isaiah talks about the one whom was pierced for our iniquities, or transgressions, or sin. i think you are splitting hairs here, especially with number two... how do you cite, and then say the Bible does not say that...

    also- surprised by hope by nt wright is the best book dispelling the rapture nonsense.

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  26. Awesome, Jason! So many of these bother me I don't know where to start!

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  27. #2. Many scripture passages speak to the truth of Christ's death bringing salvation and redemption to his people. Not just the New Testament, but all over the Old Testament "But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him -Isaiah 53:5-6. One of many verses, but both Old & New testaments together tell the coherent story of God redeeming his people through his Son's death & resurrection.

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  28. I could discuss almost all of them, but because I don't have time to address them all, I will only address one. #3 - John 14:6 - "I am the way the truth and the life. No one come to the Father except through me". It is clear (and supported throughout the New Testament) that without accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, there is no salvation. The personal relationship is also supported in the New Testament, although you may be correct that it is not specifically stated. It is often dangerous to take a specific point and then go and try to find a specific verse (or verses) that confirms or dispels it. Think of the Bible as a puzzle, only through dedicated study and prayer do the pieces fall together and the truth reveals itself. Taking verses as separate entities requires one to make assumptions and the puzzle pieces look much different when they are not fit in their correct spot in the puzzle.

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    1. Very well put. Thank you. I completely agree with your summary. Also just to say that Jesus is our own personal savior doesn't negate HIm being the savior to the world, which is what this author I think is trying to say about using the word personal Lord and Savior. I think the authors point is mute. I especially appreciate that you pointed out the dangers of coming up with an argument then trying to find specific verses to support that argument, which then is taken out of context. Your puzzle analogy so well illustrates your point. Unfortunately, there are several Christians who take the bible and do the same thing. I like that you remind us to "think of the Bible as puzzle, only through dedicated study and prayer do the pieces fall together and the truth reveals itself"....I hope you do not mind, but I would love to use this analogy. Thanks, Brandi

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    2. Do you mean the point is moot? Have you tried learning English?

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  29. I once was a seminary intern for a pastor in Jamaica, who was giving a sermon series on the 7 deadly sins in the bible. Yep---that's not in there, either.

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  30. Further for #6: Deuteronomy 12:31 and Deuteronomy 16:22. And for #4 and #5: Romans 8:28. For #2 I'll stick with the Apostle Paul rather than Jason. For #1, #3, and #7, I agree with Jason.

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  31. 16 There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, 19 a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

    I do notice that this list does not include any racial, social or national groups, nor gay marriage, nor abortion.

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    1. How is abortion not "hands that shed innocent blood"

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  32. #7: Matthew 24:40-41
    Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. (NIV)

    John 14:1-3
    Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (NIV)

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52
    Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (NIV)

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
    For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (NIV)

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    1. I totally agree with you! I am waiting for the Lord's return ! Thank you for posting the scriptures. Frani

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    2. I have always been fond of 1 Corinthians 15:52. With the zombie craze that has been going on lately, I find humor in the fact that during the rapture God will "raise the dead imperishable". Can you imagine the fear on earth if this happens? Te he! Sorry if I lighted the mood for the serious out there. I'm sure plenty
      of people will say I'm taking the bible too literally. I just think this will be funny if literal is so true!

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  33. How hard have you looked for verses about these things? I can give several verses that strongly support many of these points. (I completely agree about #1 though... if that were true, nobody would be saved!)

    Also, it's probably good to mention that things can be Biblical without being explicitly stated. For example, the Trinity is never explicitly described in the Bible, but it is definitely there if you look at the Scriptures as a whole.

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  34. #6 is Proverbs 6:16-20 plus a number of other mentions. This post is a wonderful example of the watering down of the "unpleasant" aspects of our faith. Ear tickling is what it's called in scripture. Truth is not always easy to hear but it is truth nonetheless. I challenge anyone who reads opinion to dig into Scripture yourself and see that these points above are far more unsupported than the so called myths they purport to shatter. False teachers leading the weak astray...

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  35. There are things in this article that are dangerous and just not true!


    #4. This is a tough one… but what he says about Judges is completely not true….
    Judges 4:23
    Judges 6:8 8 that the LORD sent a prophet to the sons of Israel, and he said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, 'It was I who brought you up from Egypt and brought you out from the house of slavery.

    He is throughout that book.

    #3 I will give that the bible does not say to take Jesus into your heart, but he is a personal savior. He died for the world and we must accept it, We have to believe it and accept what christ did for us. Christ said it, Paul says it…. it is the entire way in which we are redeemed. It is a gift, and a gift must be accepted.
    Mark 16:16 " Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned".
    Romans 3:21- 26
    Acts 16 Where Peter leads gentiles to Christ " Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." It is only through belief in Jesus that they are saved.
    Read Galatians: Its all about Grace and Faith

    #2 This is probably the most dangerous of what this article says. The entire idea behind our salvation is that we are sinners and deserve death ( Romans 6:23) We turned away from God and decided we knew how to live life. God loves us though… he does not want to pour his wrath upon us, but he is a just God and something must pay for our sins. So he loved us enough to send his son (John 3:16) so that we have a scapegoat, something pure needed to take our place. Gods Judgement happened…. but was poured onto his perfect son. (Romans 5:8). We then our saved when we confess that Christ is Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead (Romans 10:9-10). There is then no more judgement for us… we are made right with God… there is no more condemnation! (Romans 8:1)

    Also looking at the 1 Corinthians 15:4 scripture you use… This is absolutely referring to the jewish scriptures. The context of the passage that we are talking about here Is Paul using the Prophecies the Israelites would know. That Jesus was fulfilling these.
    These verses could not read…. "he was buried and raised from the dead to full fill the gospel stories….." No it has to refer to the Jewish Prophecies that the Jewish people were waiting for. That is what the context says of the passage….. Context is king.

    I hope anyone who reads this will go read scripture for themselves and pray about the things I have said. I point these things out not in hate or judgement, but out of Love for my brothers and sisters. God Bless

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  36. I was age fifteen when I read The Book of Judeo-Christian Mythology, in English, to discover much that is supposedly written in it is actually from William Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, and Mark Twain with a sprinkling from a few other sages.

    I believe that, a hundred or few years hence, comments from the likes of Richard Pryor, George Burns, Bill Cosby, and a few others will enjoy the same honor.

    http://IClast.net/Articles/Religion.html

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  37. I was age fifteen when I read The Book of Judeo-Christian Mythology, in English, to discover much that is supposedly written in it is actually from William Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, and Mark Twain with a sprinkling from a few other sages.

    I believe that, a hundred or few years hence, comments from the likes of Richard Pryor, George Burns, Bill Cosby, and a few others will enjoy the same honor.

    http://IClast.net/Articles/Religion.html

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  38. I was age fifteen when I read The Book of Judeo-Christian Mythology, in English, to discover much that is supposedly written in it is actually from William Shakespeare, Oscar Wilde, and Mark Twain with a sprinkling from a few other sages.

    I believe that, a hundred or few years hence, comments from the likes of Richard Pryor, George Burns, Bill Cosby, and a few others will enjoy the same honor.

    http://IClast.net/Articles/Religion.html

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  39. Love this. Thank you.

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  40. also I think we can add Malachi 2:16

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  41. "It's the word of God, but it's not the only thing God ever said" God never said anything that can be documented. The Bible was written and no doubt edited and reworded by men (and maybe some women) who had various axes to grind. The Bible was not dictated to mankind, though the 10 Commandments were purportedly so. Maybe divinely inspired, to put it kindly, but it's strictly per the writers' agendas. Some is good advice. Paul didn't live during Jesus' lifetime. He was self proclaimed, a self promoter. The Bible is worth a read - I've read it cover to cover 3 times - but it is not what I base all my actions and thoughts on.

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  42. As a child, I went to church, Sunday "school", "bible school" and tried to be good, but at around age 7-8 I began to sort out what I was being told to believe with what was real.
    I think the turning point for me was reading about Noah, and asking "Where did Noah get the gophers?".
    No one could give me a believable answer which led to more questioning of what I was told to believe, always being reminded of the pit of fire I would be chucked into if I didn't succumb.
    Fortunately, the attempted indoctrination was not successful and I survived the brainwashing that the recruiters depend on to perpetuate their agenda.
    It is my feeling that the recruitment of children into any religious organization should be classified as extreme child abuse and anyone attempting to indoctrinate our youth should be imprisoned as a felon.

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  43. Great job, PJ! This is the 'orthodox' teaching of the Lutheran Church. Unfortunately, the Puritan movement has dominated the American scene and much of Christianity's understanding of the Bible has been corrupted as a result. It is so sad that American Christians seem more determined to follow their 'flag' than Jesus.

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  44. Great post, but a few things you might want to expand on...

    #6- Okay, admittedly, I'm being a little contrary, but a quick BibleGateway search for "God hates" produces an immediate result: idolatry. Plus, there are numerous passages that speak to God's frustration --and even hate-- with Esau, the Psalmist, Israel, etc. Now, Westboro is clearly off base by attributing petty human-style hatred to God, but when it comes to divine wrath, that's definitely present in Scripture, so you may want to retract this one or at least explain it further.

    #5- It might help to consider that "Everything happens for a reason" is a perversion of Romans 8:28, and putting that verse back into the full chapter is very helpful in dispelling this misconstrued meaning.

    #4- Again, dead on, but it might help to differentiate between "control" and "sovereignty". As one of my friends is fond of saying, "God is not a micro-manager."

    #3 and #2- Whoa there. You've promised a longer discussion of the atonement, and I'm looking forward to it because the first couple of chapters of 1 John are pretty clear about Jesus being the atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world. I'm completely with you about the misuse of the word "personal", but Jesus definitely died for our sins.

    Overall, great piece and very thought-provoking, but there are some places where you might want to expand a little lest people miss your intended meaning. Looking forward to future articles to elaborate on all this.

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  45. Somebody finally came out and published something sensible about God and Jesus on Facebook. Exposure of the recently (100 years or so) concocted pseudo-sacred beliefs and favorite psychobabble of the biblically challenged is almost too easy. Carry on my Brother!

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  46. Wonderful Mrs. Miles These were some of the things that started me on the road to being a Unitarian. Had the people whith whom I was associated as a member of a traditional Christian organization been more open to discussion and review of common beliefs and ideas at the time , I might never have opted to leave the organization where I was. If we do not investigate our beliefs we become to isolated to be a vigorous worthwhile part of society

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  47. He got the last one right. Maybe he should be weatberman. Or a politician. He sure should not be teaching the Bible. He seems to be more concerned with being different than being right.

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  48. Malachi 2:16 "For I hate divorce" says the Lord, the God of Israel...

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  49. There are millions of things that aren't in the Bible; depending on your purpose, you might do better listing the top seven things that are in the Bible. 1. God created the heavens and the earth. Is that one a sticking point for you? I just have a feeling. 2. The Word was with God, the Word was God. 3. Jesus came down to save the whole world, every last one of us with all of our warts. (I know the 'came down' drives you nuts but He is on high) 4. He died on a cross; that was the plan from the beginning. 5. He is risen. No matter how badly we want to, we cannot contain Him. 6. He ascended into heaven that we might have the power to overcome our nature. 7. He will come again and every knee will bow and every lip confess.

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    1. Some clarification and question: 3. Jesus came to save the whole "cosmos", that is ALL of creation, not just people. 4. It was not the plan from the "beginning", it was the plan AFTER the Fall and all the failed covenants of the OT (failed because humans didn't live up to their end.) 6. So WE have the power to overcome Sin? If so, why did Jesus die - we just needed more prophets to tell us to get it right.

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  50. Yes but there are only 6 things he hates. Seven that are detestable? If we are to take this literally, God's power of discrimination is limited, or, we might infer that most of this is a rehash of some of the Ten Commandments plus a dash of the writer's home grown wisdom and that this isn't how God is at all but how the writer sees God.

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  51. The "immortal soul" isn't in the Bible either.

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    1. Then how would you explain 1 Timothy 1:17? Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen"! Also it stands true that the soul is often referred to as a worm. Job 25:6 for example. So in Mark 9 we read: 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. So, the exact words "immortal soul" is not there but reference to the immortal souls certainly is.
      I am not referring to you Paul, but it is interesting to see how people say they don't believe the Bible or that there is no God yet they can't leave the Bible alone but put so much effort into "disproving" it. If it is just a fairy tale then why are they so bothered by a fairy tale!? Hebrews 4:12-13 says "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."
      And why is it that people who seem to not believe in God the most are the ones who include "god" the most along with their vulgar language? It makes no sense at all. People, we all have a God consciousness built into us! That is why no one goes through life without ever considering that there is a God, a deity that we are accountable to. God did not make us as puppets so it is still our responsibility to decide what we are going to do with that God consciousness and His Word He has given us. "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:" Deuteronomy 30:19

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  52. #2 is backed up by 1 John 1:7 and Romans 6:23.

    #3 is backed up by Romans 10:9.

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  53. malachi 2:16. ,matthew 20:26-28 and of course what Jesus himself said - JOHN 3:16

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  54. am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me" (John 14:6)

    I had always thought this was Christ saying that He Himself must be worshipped, in order to get to heaven.

    Others in the thread favored the interpretation that is simply means one must emulate Christ in order to go to heaven.

    I admitted that it sounded like that interpretation was at least possible, but now I find other verses that seem to support my oriignal interpretation:

    "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." (John 8:24)

    "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

    "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5)

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  55. I appreciate your willingness to publish your thoughts on Scripture so publically. But I urge you to spend more time in study of the actual texts before you publish.

    Re #6: What do you make of Amos 5:21? "I hate, I despise your festivals, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies" (NRSV)

    Re #3 Yes, there is a lot of bad theology about the so-called "Jesus prayer" floating around. But faith, while not being private, is personal. What else do we make of Luke 8:12? "The ones on the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved."
    Or Acts 16: 30, 31 "Then he brought them outside and said, 'Sirs, what must I do to be saved?' They answered, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.'" (NRSV)

    The examples could go on.

    You are spot on with #7 and #1. And I'll grant that the Great Tradition has never held one single atonement theory, though the doctrine that Christ's death is atoning seems to have been rarely questioned until the modern day. However, what you seem to be falling into the same trap as many Arminian and Calvinist traditions--an overreliance on Scripture Alone and no regard for what has historically been called the rule of faith (regula fidei).

    Lastly, the general subtext of #2, I really don't understand why Paul's words get placed somehow secondarily to the Gospel accounts when forming our belief. Jesus didn't write Mark--Mark did. Jesus didn't write John, John did. (or at least we ascribe authorship to them as certain schools of apostolic thought.) Why does Jesus' revelation and apostolic call to Paul (testified to by both Luke and Paul) warrant a secondary status?

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  56. You forgot "spare the rod, spoil the child."

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    1. Proverbs 13:24
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      24 He who spares his rod [of discipline] hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines diligently and punishes him early.

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  57. It actually doesn't "beg the question," it "raises the question."

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  58. Though this article makes some interesting points, it contradicts itself and ultimately makes no sense. In the introduction, the author states that he doesn't worship the Bible and the while the Bible is the word of God, it is not the only thing God ever said. Why then does the author then go on to say that since certain things don't appear in the Bible we should stop saying them? While it is certainly valuable to undermine the biblical authority of such things as the rapture (or for that matter much of our ideas that owe much more to Dante and Milton) it doesn't work at all with such ideas as "Everything happens for a reason" or "God helps those who helps themselves". I for one have never once heard someone cite the Bible as the authority for either of those statements, and while both can be put forth in irritatingly trite and simplistic, they are refuted in a terribly trite and simplistic way by the author here.

    That everything happens for a reason is, on one hand, factually correct - everything has a cause, OR everything results from the circumstances
    that precede it. On a deeper level, thought, putting aside such ideas as "God's plan", we can understand the *reason* things happen as the *meaning* those things will later assume. One's loss or misfortune, for example, may well provide insight and perspective that will enable him to help another facing similar loss at some time in the future.

    As for God helping those who help themselves, certainly the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" line of thought is troublesome in multiple ways and I strongly agree with the author's objections to the modern focus on the individual. HOWEVER, there is plenty of support, biblical and otherwise, to the belief that God's gifts require action on the part of the individual. I think of people I've known and maybe even myself at times, complaining about God not doing anything for them, while they themselves do nothing to open themselves and their awareness to the goodness all around them.

    Incidentally, according to the wikipedia entry at least, the latter has nothing to do with Shakespeare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves

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  59. God hated Esau while Jacob He loved.

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  60. Some of the things in this article are simply untrue, others simply divisive.

    #7
    The rapture is absolutely in the Bible. The word itself may not be in the Bible, but the theological concept is absolutely present. I will not say that there aren't other views that can have Biblical merit, but to deny that the theological concept of the rapture is "harmful, dangerous, and totally non-biblical" is absurd and, frankly, ignorant.

    #6
    God hates sin. I can say that because God is diametrically opposed to sin. He cannot accept sin. He does the opposite of loving sin -- God hates sin. Whether it is lying, murder, homosexuality, idolatry -- God hates sin. Plenty of biblical evidence for it.

    #5
    I suppose we could toss out Romans 8, but the Bible clearly teaches there that all things work together for good, for those who love the Lord. God has a purpose and a plan. All the tragedies and victories fit in that plan, whether we like it or hate it.
    This is a tough concept, because we'd like to think that with God on our side, nothing negative would ever happen.

    #4
    You need to do some serious study on the sovereignty of God, and especially as it relates to God's declared will and decreed will. God condescends to mankind in order to relate to mankind, and thus God will adjust his actions based on the response of His creation. To say that God is not in control is to blaspheme Scripture -- again, this is a contemporary response to make sad things that happen more palatable.

    To use "God is seemingly nowhere in sight" as an argument is foolish. So, whenever God does not visibly and miraculously intervene as you deem appropriate, God must be fumbling around, unsure as to what to do?

    #3
    Nit-picking, that's all I can say. The Bible is full of beautiful imagery and poetry. Get over this; specifically the "personal savior" part. Jesus is my Savior, He intercedes before God the Father for me, specifically. He died for my sins, just as He died for the sins of the world.

    #2
    This is where you really frustrate me. Are you a false teacher, a sheep in wolves clothes? Do you not understand the responsibility you should accept by writing in a public forum of presenting the gospel and teaching appropriately? Shame on you.

    The Bible clearly teaches that Christ died for our sins. Did He also die to provide an atonement for the sins of the world, did His sacrifice erase the need for any blood sacrifice as the spotless lamb of God? Yes. But Jesus Christ also died for my sins. Shame on you.

    #1
    Agreed. In fact, I think the opposite is part of the truth of the Gospel. We cannot help ourselves, we are dead in our trespasses and sins, and it is by relying on God that we can be helped.


    Overall, very disturbed by this article. You have virtually no Scriptural support or documentation of scholarly articles in support of your views, and have ignored clear teaching of Scripture in making points. This article reeks of sensationalism -- "I'm sure to get some attention and conversation (and hits on my site) if I write something provocative."

    Disappointing, dangerous, and, unbiblical.

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    1. only thing I'll comment on.... "dangerous"??? come on- this is nonsense. A difference of interpretation cannot be "dangerous" -- or is free speech and freedom of religion dangerous>

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    2. You also don't support what you say with Scripture. I don't have time right now to address what you've written above, but on #1, read Barbara Rossings "The Rapture Exposed" if you want biblical texts and scholarly work on why the concept of Rapture as portrayed in the Left Behind Series is un-biblical and contrary to Scripture.

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  61. okay so here's what I think...I don't believe that the bible is or ever was the "WORD OF GOD" no more than I believe that ANY human being can convince me that he/she knows who "GOD"is or what "GOD" wants for us. sorry but I'm calling bullshit on the whole story I believe it was made up by men to gain control of weakminded masses. I also believe that God exists only in the minds and spirits of those who believe he it does! ...that being said....I do believe in intelligent design I do not believe this life and all the incredible wonders in it is my mistake. I just choose not to allow any human being to tell me who or what that is that is for me to decide. I believe the the LOVE shared between people is...GOD.....the rest is just people trying to put spirituality in a box

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    2. So, you kind of make it up as you go along?...hummm...got it...I think I'll stick to the Word of GOD that has a lot more reasoning, historical evidence, and rational thinking than your argument.

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  62. #6: Malachi 1:2 "but I [God] have hated Esau..." (NASB) ;þ

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  63. If you were not raised believing some of these things it might be hard to understand how someone could believe that, but, if that was all you were exposed to and taught, then it is ingrained, it is part of you, and to make blanket judgements or to attack peoples beliefs only causes more division. Does it really matter if someone believes in the rapture? What really matters is how they treat their neighbor. If we concentrate on what we can agree on then we can build on that. Truth is that none of us can really prove that what we believe is right. As someone who was raised in the Pentecostal church and has been an Episcopalian for over 20 years I have been exposed to vastly different teachings and theology. I must tell you that I miss many things from the pentecostal movement, especially the personal savior, which for me was a sense of deeper personal relationship. I did not feel that I really knew God, but I felt like I knew Jesus intimately. If you have not lived in the culture it may be hard to understand and I am sure that many of you could skewer me in a theological argument, but does it really matter? That relationship with Jesus has been the anchor in my life, when no one was there, Jesus was, and got me through. With each passing year I find that the theological differences between myself and my evangelical relatives is less and less relevant. Who cares if they believe in rapture, as long as they will sit at dinner with me and my husband, will be family with me. But with each passing year my theological differences with others in TEC becomes more and more of a road block. There appears to be less and less room for an emotional Christian with a personal Savior, partly because of anger at anything remotely evangelical. We are no better Christians than those we condemn, for me, theology or scriptural accuracy does not make us Christian, the way we live and treat others does.

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  64. Love reading the blog, as well as the comments. Everything seems to be posted with a loving heart and an open mind. I have been espousing #3 for a long time and get all kinds of grief for my belief.

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  65. Mary Baker Eddy, in her book "Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures", said "The time for thinkers has come." She was right, and it's so refreshing to see proof from good people who wrestle with ideas instead of mutely accepting them.

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  66. Some of these are worth outing (esp. #7).

    But #6 is simply wrong. "...do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate, declares the Lord.” (Zechariah 8:17) It is a lame gimmick to say, "Well, it's not exactly 'God hates_____.'"

    #2 is nonsense; a) the set-Paul-against-Jesus gambit is false and b) "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (Mark 10:45) No, not the exact phrase. But the theological trick just doesn't stand up. Jesus died to set us free from the consequences of our sin.

    The internet turns all of us into assumed Bible teachers, but we need to take seriously "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." (James 3:1)

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  67. I'm sorry to say, but this article is completely void of any real biblical scholarship or recognition of theological tradition and evolution. Please don't post something with such sweeping claims that are not based on anything, it makes you look foolish and it can cause many to stumble. thank you.

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  68. #7: 34I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left. 35There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.” luke 17

    #6: 16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. Proverbs 16

    #5: The spirit of this one seems valid, saying things like “God needed another angel” or “everything happens for a reason” is not the comfort we need when mourning or scripturally accurate.

    #4: 5 I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, 6 that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. 7 I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things. Isaiah 45

    #3: we must BELIEVE in our hearts… if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Romans 10

    #2. 26Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” 27And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, 28for this is my blood of thec covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26

    10Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. 11After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 53

    #1 Couldn’t agree more

    I think another one left off the list is the “God never gives us more than we can handle… “ hahaha I am always over whelmed with more than I can handle but God handles it for me. Its like only being able to life 100 lbs but with God as your spotter coach and partner you’re doing 500lbs. should say “God never gives you more than He can handle”

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  69. Wow...Hey there #2 and #3...read John 3:16...How about #6...read Proverbs 6:16-19!

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  70. Disagree with number 2: Luke 24:45-48

    Then he opened their minds so they could understand the scriptures. He [Christ] told them, "This is what is written: the Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things..."

    I would also submit all of Chapter 22 from the book of Luke.

    For number 3: John Chapter 11:25

    Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who ever beleives in me will live even though he dies; and whoever lives and believes in me will never die.."

    Also John Chapter 14...

    Slavation requres the individual to beleive (granted the good news is not something to be kept to your self as Jesus did come to save the world not just me).

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  71. Wrong. John 3 says Jesus died for our sins

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  72. #2, Are you being serious with this claim?

    Why did Jesus suffer the Crucifixion if not for the Atonement of our sins? Do you think the idea of that sort of horrific death was simply too alluring for him to pass up? The Lamb of God takes away the sins of the world. This is literally all over the Bible, and is essentially the point of the entire New Testament, both of which you may want to reread.

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    1. You ask a question without any answer relevant to 'atonement of our sins'. How did he know of atonement? What relevance has his death got to do with 'Atonement'? You can find all sorts of quotes in the bible to 'justify' any claim but the reality is that the old testament is irrelevant as it is just a justification for the jews taking over 'the promised land' from the innocent incumbents. Go to Leviticus and live completely to his standards. He was an 'oddball' to put it politely and yet if you 'believe' in the Bible, it has to be all or nothing. As in the Koran, you can pick and choose excerpts that 'fit your cause' but it was supposedly written as a guide - unlike Aesops Fables which are as credible but are stories and accepted as stories.
      Original sin was invented 400 years after Christ died. The Nicene Creed was a convoluted 'prayer' concocted to amalgamate the 'religious sects' of the time, simply to allow the Romans to govern their Empire in a less confrontational manner.
      Religion has been surpassed by Science and facts. Geology and Space exploration plus Physics have a much greater understanding of the creation of life, evolution etc.
      The bible (sic) has no more relevance to life today as any collection of stories. 2-3,000 years ago (and more) people would have been pondering the 'meaning of life'. They had nothing solid to refer to. We now know better (OK, I think I do).
      Religion is (and in effect has always been) a tool to control the masses. The Koran is similar to the Bible in that way. Control of the masses by fear and allegory.
      You can still be a good person without religion. Open your mind and try it.
      When I die, I die. I am the same as an ant, insect, bug or whatever. I don't put myself above or below any entity living on this earth.
      Does every living thing on (or under) this Earth have a soul or a place in heaven? None of us has 'proof' in the same way nobody can 'prove' there is a God.
      I am sure that everyone on this site will agree with me... but at least I have challenged my long-held 'brain-washing' from birth. I was brought up as a Catholic. Obviously (upon reflection) a wonderful upbringing but then again, my Mum was more brain-washed than me.
      I now see and battle against my Grandchildren being targeted in the same way.
      I am the way, the truth and the life... says Kevin. (insert the name of any thinking entity).
      It's my honest opinion having reviewed my so-called 'beliefs'.

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  73. #6: Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Proverbs 6:16-19, Isaiah 61:8, Hosea 9:15, Amos 5:21, Malachi 2:16, Revelation 2:6 #4: Deuteronomy 10:14, Psalm 103:19, Psalms 106, Daniel 4:35, Hebrews 1:3 (also applies to #2), #3: We are saved by grace through faith. Yeshua/Jesus becomes our Savior/Redeemer when we "accept" that fact by faith. If our faith is real, we will obey His commands, making Him our Lord. Many verses support these things. #2: Hebrews 1:3, and 1 Corinthians 14:3 refutes his assertion because "according to the Scriptures" means the Scriptures they had when Paul wrote his letters. The whole sacrificial system pointed toward, and was a imperfect substitute for, the coming Messiah. If not for the sins of man, for what did Yeshua/Jesus die?

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  74. I love this conversation. The post, and the comments that follow, are getting people thinking, digging into the Bible, and questioning interpretations. Fantastic stuff, regardless of where you fall on individual items in this debate. Carry on, awesome people.

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  75. I am with you and certainly there is challenge in your words for the western Church particularly but not exclusively the evangelical Church. However Scripture is part of the journey and not the whole of it, as any Trinitarian Church has to acknowledge by virtue of the Trinity itself only being hinted at in the words of the bible, never expressly spelt out. So care must be taken when taking this approach (as you yourself acknowledge in your comment about atonement).

    Quoting Schori is dangerous too as she, by her own admission no longer even believes or upholds the teachings and doctrines of the Church she leads.

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  76. #7 which you say is "fiction" is in the Bible. The New Testament was written in Greek. When you go to the most popular scripture describing the "rapture" 1 Thessalonians 4:17 the English says "caught up" If you do a word search in a Strong's Concordance, you will see that "caught up" is the English translation of the Greek word harpazo. Harpazo in Greek means to seize, catch away or up, pluck, pull, take (by force). The word rapture came from the Latin translation of harpazo which is rapturo. This same word is used to describe the "rapture" of Enoch in Genesis and John in Revelation.

    I will not go into debating your other points. Most have been dealt with by others.You really should do a little true research before you begin to post that things are fiction and not in the Bible. You have been proven wrong numerous times on most of your post. I will add that the author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit. 40 men inspired by the Holy Spirit penned the words but it was only through the revelation of God's Spirit. This is why the theme is continual. The symbolism is consistent and the message is consistent. 40 men from various backgrounds, education levels, and social standings with one message written over approximately 1600 years. This in and of itself is a miracle. We can hardly get 40 men from the same country and background to agree on the most minute things.

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  77. Oh, good gods and goddesses! People are quoting scripture here as an argument for Biblical characters? Oh my shitness. Yikes, even!

    Hang in there and take care, everyone.

    Your friend,

    Warren

    Warren G. Richards
    Kayenta, Mesa, and Tucson AZ

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  78. One of the most important things here is to remember that the books in the Bible are very much products of their own time and place and that every word in the Bible was not handed down personally by the God of the Jews and Christians. We must read the Bible critically and not just accept it as some "fait accompli". Indeed God's revelation continues to the day.

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    1. Yes! Thank you for this. Nor were the words in the Bible handed down in King James English! Cheers.

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  79. As to Point #3: Actually, Jesus DOES say "No One Comes To the Father, But Through Me" in John 14:6, which is pretty much saying that we would need to accept him as Lord and Savior if we want to reach the Father or "The Kingdom."

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  80. Some of this is wrong. Most is in the bible. For one, the Bible does say you must be born again to enter the kingdom of heaven.

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  81. The first thing you need to do before even commenting on the Bible is to get an accurate translation of it (Rotherham, Young's Literal, Concordant Literal, Concordant Greek Text or Wilson's Dioglot) rather than these "sales & profit" versions.

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  82. I think this post should have been called "Two things people think are in the Bible..."
    There are plenty of examples written above to prove most of these are actually in scripture. I totally agree about #1, in fact it is one of my pet peeves when people say this. But at the same time there are plenty of scriptures that call on us to act. Psalm 127 says "Unless the Lord builds the house the builders labor in vain". Notice the Lord builds but the builders still labor. Therefore, doing it on your own is false doctrine but "letting go and letting God" is false as well. Surprised that one didn't make this list.

    Another one I'm surprised did not make this list is "Money is the root of all evil" which I hear non-believers quote all the time. Obviously that isn't what the Bible says. 1 Timothy 6:10 "The LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil.." Quite a different thing than saying an inanimate object is evil.

    For anyone using scriptures about women at a grinding stone or men walking in a field to back up their belief in the rapture....please read them in context. Preceding these Jesus says, "As it was in the days of Noah so will it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man...." Ask your yourself, novice eschatologists, in the days of Noah WHO was taken and who was left? You do not want to be the one taken away in this scenario. It says they were eating and drinking and giving in marriage and did not understand until the flood came and TOOK THEM ALL AWAY. Immediately after that it talks of two men in a field, one TAKEN AWAY and one left, etc. The idea that Christians are "raptured" before Christ comes back at Armageddon is false. As the blog correctly says, this belief is only about 100 years old. I know we could argue end time events forever and there is much we don't or cannot understand. However, anyone who knows the story of Noah should understand that he and his family stayed safely within the ark while everyone else was "taken away".

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  83. YOU are a special kind of stupid, aren't you! EVERY item you listed can be found in the Bible, if you merely read the book, and everything you stated as truth is merely garbage lies that you made up. I'm sure God will have a big reward for you when your life ends! =)

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    1. Maybe give some examples and not be so insulting! For example the "Rapture" IS a false doctrine that is only 100 years old and is certainly not biblical. Perhaps read the bible and understand the Greek context of the language used.

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  84. I think this post should have been called "Two things people think are in the Bible..."
    There are plenty of examples written above to prove most of these are actually in scripture. I totally agree about #1, in fact it is one of my pet peeves when people say this. But at the same time there are plenty of scriptures that call on us to act. Psalm 127 says "Unless the Lord builds the house the builders labor in vain". Notice the Lord builds but the builders still labor. Therefore, doing it on your own is false doctrine but "letting go and letting God" is simplistic and false as well. Surprised that one didn't make this list.

    Another one I'm surprised did not make this list is "Money is the root of all evil" which I hear non-believers quote all of the time. Obviously that isn't what the Bible says. 1 Timothy 6:10 -"The LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil.." Quite a different thing than saying an inanimate object is evil.

    For anyone using scriptures about women at a grinding stone or men walking in a field to back up their belief in the rapture....please read them in context. Preceding these Jesus says, "As it was in the days of Noah so will it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man...." Ask your yourself, novice eschatologists, in the days of Noah WHO was taken and who was left? You do not want to be the one taken away in this scenario. It says they were eating and drinking and giving in marriage and did not understand until the flood came and TOOK THEM ALL AWAY. Immediately after that it talks of two men in a field, one TAKEN AWAY and one left, etc. The idea that Christians are "raptured" before Christ comes back at Armageddon is false. As the blog correctly says, this belief is only about 100 years old. I know we could argue end time events forever and there is much we don't or cannot understand. However, anyone who knows the story of Noah should understand that he and his family stayed safely within the ark while everyone else was "taken away". You'll have to find scripture elsewhere to present an argument in favor of the rapture.

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  85. Re #3, its worth remembering that the concept of a personal salvation hasn't existed for 3/4 on Christianity history.
    - Brian

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  86. This was simply a waste of my time to read. I feel as though I need to clean my mind after reading such garbage. I will pray for you to stop such apostacy!

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  87. That's a convenient way to dismiss such bothersome kindness Jesus shows to us. It seems like a large lack of understanding the author shows. It seems that he didn't GET what he "wanted" from "church" so therefore it "doesn't work" or "isn't true."

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  88. Proverbs 6:16 - "There are six things the LORD hates— no, seven things he detests: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that kill the innocent, a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, a false witness who pours out lies, a person who sows discord in a family...."

    Malachi 2:16 - "For the LORD God of Israel says that He hates divorce."

    Notice that this does not include homosexuality. :)

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  89. Maybe someone already posted this -- there are 141 comments at this point. But according Wikipedia it wasn't Shakespeare or Ben Franklin (like I thought). The phrase originated in ancient Greece and may originally have been proverbial. It is illustrated by two of Aesop's Fables and a similar sentiment is found in ancient Greek drama. "Although it has been commonly attributed to Benjamin Franklin, the modern English wording appears earlier in Algernon Sidney's work." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves

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  90. proverbs 6:16 "The Lord hates....."

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  91. there are several Bible verses has the words "God/Lord hates...", you may want to check them out before you state for us to show you any....

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  92. This post is filled with false theology....I invite you to study your hermeneutics before you create a blog like this....

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  93. Some valid point here, particularly for the nonsense of the Rapture doctrine (which actually dates back to 1832, with John Nelson Darby, of the Plymouth Brethren movement, in one of his trances), and to the stupid little saying of "ask Jesus into your heart," which is nowhere in the bible... But, so what?! Christianity has made itself irrelevant for a long time, especially since Christians don't live the Sabbath law, letting the land rest, forgiving debts, restoring rights and property to those who are dispossessed (the Jubilee), or applying any of their claims to redemption to economics, ecology or international relations. Nah! There is wisdom in the bible, and in other cultural scriptures, but neither the book nor the religions that embrace it are very relevant.

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  94. Jesus did die for our sins. It says in the bible Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
    And as for the one about being born again, I suggest you read the story of Nicodemus in the Bible where Jesus tells him that he must be born again to see the Kingdom of Heaven.
    You are correct that the rapture doesn't happen the way it does in The Left Behind Series. That is just fiction.
    God is in control. Jesus died on the cross but he could have saved himself. He was the sacrificial lamb.
    I am not sure what you are teaching. How are you a follower of Christ if you don't follow his teachings?
    There are things God hates. Most of all God hates sin. I am not a member of Westboro Baptist Church. Their way of spreading hate is evil and not something that God teaches.

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  95. This. is. ridiculous. It is posts like this, and the comments that follow that are pushing more and more people away from the church. Christianity has become nothing but a "Country Club" type of atmosphere and it is NOT the church the Christ had in mind - or for that matter - heart. You're all so worried about who's the BETTER christian that you all completely forget the ideals that it was built upon.

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  96. Please read your bible. You will see that you are mistaken.

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  97. Malachi 1:3 God Hated Esau

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  98. That's NOT How To Sell It, Zealot!

    Here's some advice for those who talk religion
    And try to save my soul for my own good:
    Could you rethink your images a smidgin
    When you describe the heav'nly neighborhood?

    Though many of you do the Lord's good labor,
    Some others seem to think they need to serve
    By not loving, but by judging thy neighbor
    And truly, you just get on my last nerve

    Don't give me any "Happ'ly ever Afters"
    And don't sell me a heavenly rebirth
    If paradise is crammed up to the rafters
    With zealots I could not abide on earth

    So talking heaven, please don't let it slip
    That you might be there. It's poor salesmanship.
    dag

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  99. # 2 Jesus Died for our Sins. i'll quote you:

    the words "Christ died for our sins" is right there, although it's followed with "in accordance with the scriptures," which begs the question - which scriptures? The Hebrew scriptures? The Gospel stories?

    No, it does NOT beg the question it raises the question. it does NOT beg the question. IT DOES NOT BEG THE QUESTION.

    if you want to beg the question, you need to answer someone's challenge by repeating your same point. or by using the thing you are trying to prove to in fact, prove... itself.

    example: "tell me why the bible is true!" " well verse something in chapter something says "all scripture is the living word of God."

    That would be begging the question. Using the Bible to prove the truth of the Bible is begging the question. Begging the question is an official logical fallacy which you can encounter in textbooks, it is NOT RAISING THE QUESTION!

    http://begthequestion.info/

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  100. Under "#5 - Everything happens for a reason", the author wrote "Luckily, it's not ..."
    "Luck", "Lucky", and ""Luckily" are concepts that many Christians, especially the author, think are in the Bible but totally aren't!
    God does not leave things to randomness and chance.
    "Luck" seems to be a possible root word for "Lucifer".

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  101. Strange article. I believe the blogger is correct on #7 and #1. But on all the other points he is either wrong or at least on very questionable ground. God hates all kinds of bad stuff. It even says he hated Esau who wasn't all that bad. True, the Bible doesn't say everything happens for a reason, but it may imply it. (We're getting deeper into the waters of Calvinism and the extent of God's sovereignty here so I'll leave it at that). If God is not in control, then who or what is? (By the way, I am NOT a Calvinist). And what kind of Savior is Jesus anyway? Is he an IMPERSONAL Savior? Perhaps the blogger is a Deist. That would also help explain his opinion that God is "not in control" and his apparent problem with the atonement. Finally, as has been pointed out here by many, the Bible clearly says Jesus died for our sins. Not that the atonement is completely explained, but the point is certainly made by Paul.

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  102. The only thing I'll say, is if you don't believe in the Bible, why the world would read it. your blog, to me is nonsense.

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  103. God hates...Prov 6:16-19

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  104. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his ony begotten son that who so ever believed in him would not parish but have everlasting life."

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  105. Coming in a bit late here, but IMHO a number of commentators are perhaps missing the point on No. 6 (the "God hates ___" thing). The way I read it, the author has made a direct reference to Westboro Baptist Church immediately under this heading. Perhaps we are being invited to put two and two together without the author having to repeat WBC's hateful slogan?

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  106. There is no god, you are dumb. While I am at it, Santa and the tooth fairy are fake to. Any responds to this comment will not be read because I don't give a shit about your stupid story's and a book.

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  107. Based upon my extensive research of what the Bible says, there is not a single verse that condemns what we call today a committed homosexual relationship. At the time of Jesus, there are several rabbinical writings that conclude council judgments that "sporting with boys" was not a sin and not in contradiction to Leviticus 18:22. Which might be irrelevant, because the 2 oldest manuscripts of Leviticus do not contain verse 18:22.

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  108. Unfortunately you are mistaken on number 2. Isaiah 53 describes the Messiah, verse 5 is perhaps the most famous out of that description, "He was wounded for our transgressions." Also in John 3 in Jesus' own words He describes the way He is to die, and why? He is to die for our deeds, because they are evil...or another way to put it He will die for our sins.

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  109. Was this post from satin himself???

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  110. I find it rather comical that everyone that has posted has their own ideas on what the lord hates. truth is NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS! unless of course you ( yes you, avid reader with far too much free time) have the audacity and ability to talk directly to god and actually hear something.

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  111. Don't forget "cleanliness is next to godliness."

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  112. Weird that people place so much importance on the exact words of books that were written by people long after the historical events they describe - so are certainly inaccurate in many details - were selected and collected together by a committee - so are subject to all the politics that such processes involve - and have then been translated in such a variety of ways.

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  113. This is so far off I don't have time for all of them so I'll just make one comment:

    The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
    John 1:29

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  114. Not all the words in the bible are from God. Most of them are from and written by the apostles. God merely inspired them to write. Inspiring and instructing are 2 different things. For example, I am so in love with my wife that she inspired me to write a song. Did the song come from my wife? No, it came from me. My wife merely inspired me to write.

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  115. This original list is just terrible theology in parts. The rapture - completely agree. "We must accept Jesus into our hearts as our personal Lord and Savior" - tentatively agree (there's no 'special prayer' that gives you a green card), although Jesus made it clear that there is a distinction between those who accept and those who reject the son of man. But the rest? Dangerous nonsense! How can you possibly say Jesus didn't die for our sins in the face of Isaiah 53:5, let alone a whole host of old testament prophets who understood precisely what Jesus was coming to do? How about John 3:16? Given that the whole Garden of Eden narrative shows that our sin put us out of relationship with God, and Jesus came to restore our relationship, how else could he possibly do it without taking the punishment we are all due? It was the result of the covenant God made with Abraham. I wish I had the time to fully pick the bones off this dangerous nonsense but unfortunately I don't have the time right now. Reading this makes me so angry.

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  116. Jeepers, trying to knock down the Rapture was one of the worst decision I ever made as a pastor. It was stunning to witness the very emotional responses I got. Interestingly, there was a woman present at one session who had been raised in the Plymouth Brethren (which is still around) and she was fully supportive of what nonsense it is. To no avail.

    But does God hate? Sorry, yes. " 'I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, 'and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,' says the LORD Almighty." -- Malachi 2.16.

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  117. The word "trinity" isn't in the Bible either, soooooo does that mean there is no"trinity"? BTW, I do not have an account with the profiles I am to select from so my name will not show up. The profile Anonymous shows up. Sorry

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  118. As the comments make clear, this original blog post is simply incorrect in several of its assertions. Unfortunately this is as likely to add confusion rather than clarity to our culture's understanding of the Bible.

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  119. Re #2, Paul is most likely referring to the Hebrew scriptures, i.e. the Old Testament, when he says "in accordance with the scriptures." The Gospels were all written after all of the letters of Paul (and those we call the letters of Paul which were not written by him, such as the Letter to the Hebrews).

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  120. Great post!!! It's intense how many people are threatened and offended by this. Could you add "don't have sex until marriage" to this list? Ugh. That one drives me nuts.

    To all the haters: http://m5.paperblog.com/i/18/180325/haters-gonna-hate-L-XmOoNE.jpeg

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  121. Silly, silly people. I love you all anyway.

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  122. This blog is a joke. It doesn't represent the tone or message of the Bible. It's one dude with some crazy interpretations of scriptures that he sees fit into his comfortable form of Christianity. The fact that this is getting attention bothers me. Keep this nonsense to yourself lest you pollute the minds of new Christians and/or people seeking truth.

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  123. #7 - The so-called "Rapture."  
    1 Thessalonians 4:17 ESV
    Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
    #6 - God Hates _____ (Fill In the Blank).
    Proverbs 6:16-19
    New International Version (NIV)
    There are six things the Lord hates,
    seven that are detestable to him:
    haughty eyes,
    a lying tongue,
    hands that shed innocent blood,
    a heart that devises wicked schemes,
    feet that are quick to rush into evil,
    a false witness who pours out lies
    and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
    #5 - Everything happens for a reason.
    Romans 8:28
    New International Version (NIV)
    And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

    #4 - God is in control.
    Isaiah 45:5-6
    New International Version (NIV)
    I am the Lord, and there is no other;
    apart from me there is no God.
    I will strengthen you,
    though you have not acknowledged me,
    so that from the rising of the sun
    to the place of its setting
    people may know there is none besides me.
    I am the Lord, and there is no other.


    #3 - We must accept Jesus into our hearts as our personal Lord and Savior.
    Romans 10:9
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

    #2 - Jesus died for our sins.
    1 John 2:2
    English Standard Version (ESV)
    He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

    #1 - God helps those who help themselves.
    2 Thessalonians 3 7-10
    New International Version (NIV)
    For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.


    And I would like to add........
    Acts 17:11 ESV
    Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

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